Comments on: The Input vs. Output Debate: John’s 2¢ http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate Tips, Tools & Tech for Learning ANY Language Fast Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:09:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Input vs. Output | Spanish Only http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-4869 Input vs. Output | Spanish Only Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:44:46 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-4869 [...] reading John’s (of the Foreign Language Mastery blog) post on input versus output, I was inclined to write a reaction myself for the debate. I actually had to, as most people think [...] [...] reading John’s (of the Foreign Language Mastery blog) post on input versus output, I was inclined to write a reaction myself for the debate. I actually had to, as most people think [...]

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By: The Input vs. Output Debate | Voxy Blog http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-4556 The Input vs. Output Debate | Voxy Blog Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:15:27 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-4556 [...] more insightful comments about the Input vs. Output debate, read the article by John Fotheringham that inspired this [...] [...] more insightful comments about the Input vs. Output debate, read the article by John Fotheringham that inspired this [...]

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By: Ramses http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-4112 Ramses Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:31:56 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-4112 Interesting read, and I'm definitely going to link to the article in my next newsletter. Heck, I even based an article on it. It funny though. People see me as an “input only extremist”, while I pretty much advocate the same as you do. My own experience and subsequent research has shown that taking in massive amount of native speech during a silent period benefits most learners. However, what many forget to mention (or maybe even think of) is that the ultimate goal is being able to express yourself. Thus, after a silent period (which must not be too long) production is very important. You will never get a perfect accent by only listening, but after a good silent period you at least know what to work towards. Then, when you imitate native speakers and speak as much as you can (while still taking in considerable amounts of native input), you will eventually get a good accent, and will feel comfortable speaking your target language. Interesting read, and I'm definitely going to link to the article in my next newsletter. Heck, I even based an article on it.

It funny though. People see me as an “input only extremist”, while I pretty much advocate the same as you do. My own experience and subsequent research has shown that taking in massive amount of native speech during a silent period benefits most learners.

However, what many forget to mention (or maybe even think of) is that the ultimate goal is being able to express yourself. Thus, after a silent period (which must not be too long) production is very important. You will never get a perfect accent by only listening, but after a good silent period you at least know what to work towards. Then, when you imitate native speakers and speak as much as you can (while still taking in considerable amounts of native input), you will eventually get a good accent, and will feel comfortable speaking your target language.

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By: John Fotheringham http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-3215 John Fotheringham Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:00:35 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-3215 I'm still a little unclear about how your product really works, Arkady. But we can discuss it more in our interview tomorrow. I'm still a little unclear about how your product really works, Arkady. But we can discuss it more in our interview tomorrow.

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By: John Fotheringham http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-3212 John Fotheringham Mon, 01 Nov 2010 21:38:00 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-3212 RSS? That's soooo 90s... Just kidding; I do the same. In fact, it would probably be a good idea to add an RSS link to make it easier for people to subscribe... Loved your article "Sipping from the Language Hose" by they way. Perfect analogy. And thanks for the link! RSS? That's soooo 90s… Just kidding; I do the same. In fact, it would probably be a good idea to add an RSS link to make it easier for people to subscribe…

Loved your article "Sipping from the Language Hose" by they way. Perfect analogy.

And thanks for the link!

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By: @yearlyglot http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-3075 @yearlyglot Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:27:34 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-3075 I guess it's bad of me, but I usually don't notice things like that because I read everything over RSS. Thanks for the link, I've added one to your site on my sidebar, too. I guess it's bad of me, but I usually don't notice things like that because I read everything over RSS. Thanks for the link, I've added one to your site on my sidebar, too.

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By: John Fotheringham http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-3064 John Fotheringham Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:51:01 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-3064 That's funny. Actually, I was just in the mood to write a post, and after scanning my list of "things to blog about" (a burgeoning Evernote list I add to almost daily), the input-output debate jumped out at me as the most interesting and relevant. My second choice was the etymology of "Halloween", which would certainly be timely, but I didn't think I could fill out a whole post with that... Thanks for the feedback and I will be sure to check in on your blog soon... (Incidentally, I have a link to your site on my sidebar if you hadn't noticed...) That's funny. Actually, I was just in the mood to write a post, and after scanning my list of "things to blog about" (a burgeoning Evernote list I add to almost daily), the input-output debate jumped out at me as the most interesting and relevant. My second choice was the etymology of "Halloween", which would certainly be timely, but I didn't think I could fill out a whole post with that…

Thanks for the feedback and I will be sure to check in on your blog soon… (Incidentally, I have a link to your site on my sidebar if you hadn't noticed…)

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By: John Fotheringham http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-3062 John Fotheringham Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:45:52 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-3062 Interesting analogy; I haven't heard that one yet. With regard to polyglot blogs I frequent, check ou the "Suggested Sites" in the sidebar. I don't agree with everything that each blogger says, but all of them have a) demonstrated success in learning foreign languages, and b) are able to explain their views in a clear, entertaining way. Interesting analogy; I haven't heard that one yet.

With regard to polyglot blogs I frequent, check ou the "Suggested Sites" in the sidebar. I don't agree with everything that each blogger says, but all of them have a) demonstrated success in learning foreign languages, and b) are able to explain their views in a clear, entertaining way.

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By: @yearlyglot http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-3059 @yearlyglot Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:22:57 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-3059 Is it just a coincidence that I brought up the input-output debate this morning, and then you penned an opinion on the matter? :) I really like the fact that you pointed out the difference between input and output in one's native language. That's actually something I was thinking about this morning, with regard to how many words we can recognize or understand compared to what we actually use. Good stuff here. Is it just a coincidence that I brought up the input-output debate this morning, and then you penned an opinion on the matter? :)

I really like the fact that you pointed out the difference between input and output in one's native language. That's actually something I was thinking about this morning, with regard to how many words we can recognize or understand compared to what we actually use.

Good stuff here.

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By: John Biesnecker http://l2mastery.com/featured-articles/johns-position-on-the-input-vs-output-debate/comment-page-1#comment-3058 John Biesnecker Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:55:57 +0000 http://l2mastery.com/?p=1604#comment-3058 I tend to think about it like inhaling and exhaling. We always talk about not being able to breathe being a problem (inhaling), but not being able to exhale is a serious problem too! :D I'd love to see even a partial listing of the polyglot blogs you subscribe to. I'm always on the outlook for more reading material. I tend to think about it like inhaling and exhaling. We always talk about not being able to breathe being a problem (inhaling), but not being able to exhale is a serious problem too! :D

I'd love to see even a partial listing of the polyglot blogs you subscribe to. I'm always on the outlook for more reading material.

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